Get Authentic with Marques Ogden
Get Authentic with Marques Ogden

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Get Authentic with Marques Ogden - Marlon Kerner


Marques talks with Marlon Kerner

Yeah, welcome everybody to the get authentic with Marcut shop. I'm your host, Marcus og then, but we talked to amazing people with amazing stories. Is this episode number three with my good friend Marlon Kerner. Before we get started, I want to thanks of our fantastic sponsors. Since twenty one connect through Lee Valley. They do a lot of great things in the Atlanta area around relocation and working in the housing industry. Then we've got nationwide exteriors. That's down in Orlando Florida. They do a lot with roofing repair, all that kind of great stuff. We've got deflect tech, LLC Oh but my good friend coach Kuta. It is a shoulder pad. Is a shoulder pat device to help you minimize shoulder injuries. We've got bill kifer and associates. They are a consulting firm out of the Ohio area. And we've got coach Big l speaking my good friend Lloyd Morrison, who does a lot of speaking for sports programs, all that kind of great stuff. Thanks to a few of our sponsors for sponsoring our show. Now let's bring on my great friend former the Ohio state football player played for the buffalo else my good friend and my great man, Marlon Kerner. Marlon, welcome to the get authentic with Marcus show. Are you doing today, Sir Man? I am doing well. Thank you for having me appreciate you. Awesome, awesome. So, Marlin, before we get rolling, I ask every person the same question. What does authentic, slash authenticity mean to Marlin Kurner? You know, I think for me authenticity is being being real, being genuine, being you, Um, being who you want to be, who you can be, who you think you'd be, who you think you are, who you strive to be. Um All the time. Right like you get a lot of people that are one way in front of one people and another way in in front of the Group of people, but authentic people are just themselves at all times, no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the challenges, no matter who they're front in front of, who they're talking to, they're always going to be who they are at all times, and so I try to make sure that I'm that person Um as most as as as often as I can be. You know, sometimes it's difficult, you know, you know, but definitely, you know, I tried to be that authentic person just being real, being genuine, being true to my own values and what I believe in and leave and live by those awesome, awesome. I love your explanation or definition, Marlon. Can you tell all? It's a little bit about yourself, who you are, background, where you're from and, of course, how you got to the Ohio State University. Played football for the buck eyes. Sure. So. I am born and raised in Columbus, Ohio. Um, I have a twin brother. Um. A lot of people don't know that about me, but if you grew up with me, you would know that we were it was just us. I grew up in a single parent household, Um, with my mom and my twin brother, uh and I, uh, and you know it was it was a lot growing up in a single parent household. Was Not a lot of income. So, you know, I remember growing up not having a lot of things.

Um, never had a car until I actually bought my first one. Um, so that was crazy, taking the bus or walking everywhere, but I think it made me understand, Um, just life in general. Sometimes life is not what you think it is. Is what you make it. Um, and you know, you can't change where you were brought up and where you were born, but you can definitely work hard, Um, and so I just had that hard work ethic Um that was instilled Um in me by my mom, just kind of like, listen, you know, we don't have a lot, but what we have we're willing to share and give it with anybody. But then you know you you don't take anything for granted, right, uh. And so you know, I I I always want to play football since I was four. Um, I remember my fourth birthday wasn't in kindergarten but in pre K uh, and definitely I remember falling playing football and knocking out my two front teeth, Um, and that was my love affair from football ever since. I would always say I'm playing football, I'm playing football, I'm going to the NFL. And you know, my mom would always say that's fine, but you gotta get an education first, right. And so I was understood just from a young age that in order to get to the NFL or any other dream I had, education was going to be a key component. So, you know, when you get a little older, you understand where you grow up uh, and what that looks like. Uh. And so I knew in my neighborhood the statistics were already stacked against me. Single parent home, young black male, lower end Um, barely probably at the property level or below the povlty level at times. And so you're kind of like, all right, if I don't either get an academic scholarship or sports scholarship, Um, then I'm going to be here, in this in this predicament, in this neighborhood, and that's not where I wanted to be. So I made sure I busted my butt in the classroom and then also on the football field. Uh, and was fortunate enough to Um play quarterback at Brooke Haven High School, Um, and then getting noticed by some scouts at the House and university, which, by the way, we did trademark the worth D Um, so now we can put that on apparel, Um, just so you know. Um. But yeah, I got that opportunity to go play football there, UH, and ended up making the best decision up, choosing to go play football at the House State University. The audience, did you hear him saying the least at least five times, so you know you're saying the like that you are the man. I just want to throw that out there now, Marlon. Let's get real for a second. Okay, that's one of my taglines on the show. A lot of people come from poverty, really not good areas, and they go out and play sports or trying to work in the classroom and unfortunately they aren't as fortunate as you were to go to the Ohio State University. So let's get real. Tell our audience what are some things that you did growing up, playing sports, going in classrooms, going to school, that really helped propel you to play football at deal house state, because I feel a lot of things you probably did playing the game right Maland can help people who are what playing the game of life right. You know what? I think I was pretty fortunate to have a really good village around me. Um, you know, when you grew up in a single parent household, it takes a lot of people to kind of make sure that you don't go down the wrong path. So the one thing that always helped me was, since I can go back and like seven and having conversations with my grandmother about Church and God and and and things you should do and shouldn't do. Um, but my mom put me in church and kept me in church like all the time. It was a running joke in our household as we were growing up, like when mom, when mom left to go to church, we'd have to go to church. I think that kind of kept me away from a lot of the bad element because I grew up in a pentecostal church. Um, so that meant we had church twice on Sunday. So you had Sunday morning service,...

...then you had a Sunday evening service and then we had a church service on Tuesday and then we had carl rehearsal on Wednesday and then we had a church service on Friday night. So, like I didn't have time to get in trouble because I was always at church right. So, so that really kept me out of a lot of the bad elements that were really in my neighborhood. Uh. And then my mom was really, really and I always say people say, well, who was your hero growing up? Like my mom was probably my my my hero going up, and it was because of she was trying to raise two young men on her own. Uh. And she was very, very strict about who I could associate with, who who I could have come over my house, Um, what friends I was allowed to be around. Like she always gave me, you know, that scripture that says Um, evil communications, corrupt good manner, like I heard that like that was like drilled in my head, like and I was like mom, what? So we would have conversations about what that really meant, you know, just she was just like, you know, you don't normally bring people up, you know, like you know when they say evil comming case and corrupt good manage, like I want you to go to college. If you don't hang around people who don't have the dream to go to college, then you probably won't go. So you need to be careful about who you hang around with and make sure that they have goals. My Mom will make me write my goals down. So she would and still some really good habits in me at a young age, even though we didn't have a lot Um. So that really helped me carry over into the classroom. Uh. And then once I think I was kind of like a quiet kid growing up, UM, kind of like starting to figure out who I was in school, and then I think I made the honor role in the fourth grade. Uh, and then from then on it was like all right, well, you know what that means. I'm like, well, no, what does that mean? Like that means if you made. Then roll, then you can make the down a row going forward. So then all of a sudden it was well, it's expected of you to play football, Um, to play play, get good grades if you're gonna play sports. Now, for me, because we didn't have a lot of money, like, I was always out in the neighborhood, Um, throwing the football around, like anybody who knew me, like they would see me playing football. If if it was too hot, I was still be in it, like. So, growing up in Columbus, you would have those those dog days of summer, those hundred three days, and I'd be the only when I sawed throwing the football up in the air, catching it, running around with it by myself because it was too hot, Um, and I only wanted to play football, like I would only focus on football until I got some different friends, you know, and all those things helped, helped me become, you know, really, like, really good. I find tune, being able to cut my bursting, all those little things that really help you in football, Um, like I I did that on my own. And then I didn't play organized football to the eighth grade. Like that was my first year of playing organized football. Eighth Grade. I was running back. We won two games. One of them was by forfeit, Um. And then I went to high school so I didn't have the wear and tear on my body or anything from little league. Like I literally was just like all right, like I would just go play football. We finally got enough money. I had a good friend, um, that went to our church, Um, and his mom was like hey, you know, we need players on our team. You should have Martin come and she came and picked me up every day for practice and she didn't live anywhere there close with me, Um, so that was kind of you know, that made like growing up Um and poverty made it really difficult, Um, but I always ended up having good people around me that would always be able to help me achieve and accomplish the goals that I was looking forward to. Love it. Love it audience. There was so many golden nuggets, you know, work, ethic, discipline, teamwork. You Know Mollinton, people picked him up the practice, working on his craft early, staying late. So can you tell everybody allot your time at the Ohio, staying them from there, your time in the National Football League, being drafted by the buffalo bills. Yeah, I got to a house stay Um and I'm just kind of like, oh my goodness, right, right, like you kind of I think that was kind of my first experience of like Oh my goodness, like this, this is on a whole different level, right, like because when you come from a high school, especially inner city high school, you know you're kind of like, all right,...

I'm the fastest person on my team, like you know, I'm pretty good at this sport, and then you get there and you're like, oh my goodness, like they get people from all over the country. And so I made the switch from playing offense in high school. So I was a high school quarterback Um and then switched to cornerback Um. And I never forget being recruited at the house state because I remember going doing my football drills and then they made us round of forty and then I ended up running um a four or fourth flat. You'RE gonna laugh because I hadn't run track yet in high school, so I didn't have that track start down yet. So everything we did back then was a three point stands, right. And so I'm like all right, you want me to run the forty and he's like yeah, I'm like, well, how do you want me to get down. He's like, you know, you can get in the three point stands. I'm like, now, I'm a quarterback, so I'm used to like hand under the center. I'm like, but I knew how to get into three point stands. Like so you want me to get down like this, and he's like yeah, that, that'll work. I'm like, all right, cool. So I got down and I ran a forty and I'm laughed into this day because, like I was so great, like I had no clue, right. And so I get there and I run a forty and he's like all right, and I come back and he's like that was pretty good. I'm like what did I run? It's like four or fourth flat. I'm like, okay, cool. And then we were in groups and then he was like all right, you gotta run another one. Like all right, like you're up. I'm like same three point stands again. It's like yeah, that, that'll work. I'm like, all right, cool. I get down again, I run the four fourth flat again and he's like hey, you guys are good, like you know, you can go back to your drills. Like it was all quarterbacks with us, uh. And then next thing I know, the defensive back coach from Ohio State. His name was Larry Coyer. He brought me over and he's like hey, Um, I heard about your forty times. Like have you ever played corner? Like you know a little bit, I know how to play it. He's like once you go guard that guy over there, and I'm like sure. So he had me there for fifteen minutes, just playing around garden guys, you know, and I didn't. I didn't really know how to play corner yet, but I was there enough to not boss down. You know, I'm sizing up my competition, like all right, he's not faster than me, so I'm a sit on this route like I'm gonna jump it, like whatever. He runs Um, and then for about teammate as we did that, and then he just said, hey, you know what, I think you can play corner at the next level. Would it be okay if we recruit you as a corner? Um, I know, I know you're a quarterback. I'm like yeah, I mean that's fine. I was like I would, I wouldn't have no problem with that. Uh. And then that's how I got on the House states radar. Uh, and then forcing it enough to go through that process, Um, and narrow it down to how narrowed down to the Ohio State University, Um, and then signed that letter of commit and you get there and I'm trying to figure out how to play the game. Um. Coach coyer was a very hard nosed coach, old school Um. You know, he would tear you down and then build you back up right. But I ended up playing as a true freshman, Um and then played every game as a truth freshman. Um. Ended up being a four year letterman. Um while I was there, ended up being voted Co captain my senior year. Um. So things were going well. I had all, you know, your traditional ups and downs. Um. Didn't have the senior teason that I wanted to have, but I was so grateful that I ended up having that season because it made me really appreciate, Um, really appreciate football in the game and what it was all about and why you play the game. Um. And you know, we all go through that. We all have our little moments of all right, am I gonna go to the League? And I had so so much success early on that I needed some adversity to kind of come and shake like all right, what, what? What is this about? It, like are you willing to still put the work in when things aren't going well? So that really helped me really get prepared for the next level, like right, uh. And then ended up was fortunate enough to still we ended up having a decent senior year. Um, not a great senior year. Bio House, the centers. I think we lost like four games that year, UM, which is not good. Um when you start looking at what the expectations is now. Um. But we ended up going like nine and four, um, and I had some things that I need to really work on technique wise, and I think that's what helped me get to the next level, was I was willing to put the work in, Um, and understand like all right, look, I need to understand that you can't just be an athlete, like so many people think that you can be an athlete, Um, and that's okay, like yeah, you need talent, Um, and you need go to... fast, but you also need to have to know how. All right, he's gonna Runnis if he gets here. I need to do this. I need to have my body position here, and I didn't understand that concept that well when I was at a house state during that time frame. And I really got that when I got I got that instead of me when I got to the NFL. Um, with our coach. His name was Dick Roach and he was a really, really stickler on technique and understanding how they're going to attack you. Um. And I think that was one of the biggest differences in the biggest jumps that I was able to make from the college level to the pro level was understanding defenses and understanding how teams are going to attack you. And from there it was kind of like, all right, this was fun. Um. So, you know, I got drafted in the third round by the bills. Came in here and played a lot as a rookie. Um, had some really good talent, um in front of me. Um, and a good friend, Jeff Burris and Thomas Smith. Both of those guys were first round draft picks, and that's when I kind of understood that the NFL was not like college. You kind of get that early, like, wait a minute, like it's not about talent all the time. Um, depending something, sometimes guys will get an opportunity because where they were drafted. Um. Now, I'm not saying those guys didn't deserve despite all that's not what I'm saying. So, if anybody's listening, I didn't say that at all. Those two guys deserved they were. They were studs, Um, they they played for a long time in this league, but in this league. But you know, just you started understand, like wow, like you know, it's a different kind of beast here, like you know there's gonna be guys that kind of first round draft picks, second round draft picks. But then I realized that I belonged there, Um, and so that was helpful, you know, and they were so welcome me. Thomas Um and Jeff were so open, like hey, you know, Um, I still talked to Jeff Um, except from time to time. You know, he always called me short dog, a short dog, a short dog. So and then, you know, I was having some success and then tore my a C L my third year end, Um, and then I didn't think anything of it, but just in case it didn't go well, I decided I was gonna go back and finished school. Um. So I went back, had surgery, went back to the o'hiuse and university, took my last three classes. Um. Yeah, I mean you're gonna keep keep hearing me say the Um, but then, you know, and then came back, finished my rehab, came back to training camp, Um, you know, having some issues with just some some swelling and and flewid build up. Uh. And then to my Al in the first game on the other knee. Um, and then that was pretty much it. I was done playing football and was trying to figure out what I was gonna do next. So, audience, let's get real for a moment. Marlin worked hard at the Ohio State University, drafted the National Football League, had a great rookie year. Things were happening. Second Year Terence is a C L, rehabs, comes back, fights back into the field, tear this other a C l. But since Marlin was very educated, had that work ethic instill in him since a young child. Guy's education was very much aware of what you need to do, and now he's progressed into that next phase. So, Marlin, tell everybody attle bit about what you're doing today. You know you've worked in up in America. You work with buffalo bills for a while, but tell all audience what is small and Kerner up to today, and how do you able to transition so many different times from A to B, B, two, C C Two D and keep yourself moving on that trajecture what I call a victory excuse me, a victory mindset, which you're concerned about your growth, but everybody around use growth at the same time. Okay. Um. So currently I am the Community Director for a nonprofit called entrepreneurs forever, Um, and what we do is we look for existing business owners, Um, and we support them using a peer to peer model, Um, to help them grow and together business. I like to say it is your own personal business locker room, because I'm a big sports guy just like you are. So, you know, I think when people ask me, well, what what do you mean? Um, what do you mean by that? Like, what do you mean the peer to Peer Model? Um, really, all of this we get tendan twelve business owners together,...

Um, and I always say it's like your own locker room if you play sports. You know, the one thing that we loved about the locker room is is you're gonna get Carmoderi, you're gonna get accountability, you're just gonna have all those things, Um, that are gonna go on. You'RE gonna have people talking about, Hey, my finitiobioceers told me this, or hey, I was reading the book and I learned this, like you get so many things in a locker room, Um, and then when you leave, Um, that's the one thing you missed the most. Like I've never heard anybody say, man, I missed those two days, like I missed putting on the paths and going out there hitting, hitting the sled, like you don't miss that. You missed the bonds of brotherhood that you have in that locker room and the accountability and the and the cheering on that sometimes goes on. Like Hey man, you had a great practice day, like hey man, keep doing that, like that's what we need, like you're you're gonna get in the field to that hard work is paying off. The people notice that, and so that's what we try to build in our program is we try to build that same accountability, the same type of cheerleaders, the same type of people who are going through the same things and may see it through a different Lens. We're doing that, Um, and I think throughout my career, like I've kind of figured out, like as I've kind of transitioned, I've kind of figured that I really want to be able to help people um and help figure out, help people figure out what their next steps are going to be. That's something that's really passion it for me. So this role really fit where I wanted to be, Um and where I saw myself going as far as wanting to help athletes in the future. Wanted to help entrepreneurs because there's a there's a lot of similarity between an entrepreneur, Um and an athlete, right, like you know what I and I always love your story and the point that you always talked about Um. You you are your own CEO Um, that Jack Dearrio told you right, Um, because I think sometimes as athletes, we sometimes forget that the NFL is a business, right, and they're always gonna make business decisions. So you need to make sure you make the right business decisions for yourself, because you're gonna find yourself out of league at some point in time. And so, you know, I just kind of figured out as I began to grow Um, and it took me a long time. I think I've had the distinct pleasure of being able to transition for an NFL twice Um, and so the first time I didn't transition as well as I wanted to. We didn't have the right resources and I think I didn't really know me well enough, Um, to say, okay, Marlin, you're gonna do x, Y and Z, like I didn't have that kind of like plan of what to do, where I wanted to go. The second time, I kind of did know where I was. I was, I was getting my master's program Um at St Bonaventure, Um, and I knew to kind of stop and say, okay, listen, let's take a temperature check. Where are we? You know, let's let's do a financial tune up. Let's look and see where we are financial wise, money wise, what are you doing? Like how long can you just trying to take your time, like I did all those things, Um, and then kind of went back and said, okay, now what do you want to do? Like what brings you joy? What brings you passion? And then I pursued that because I had already gone through choosing a job, Um, and so I know the struggles that sometimes people go through of you know this is not fulfilling, because I did that before. I did the I'm just working a job, is just paying the bills, but it's not my passion. And so I encourage people to try to figure out how to get to your passion and sometimes you may have to work that job because it pays the bill. Sometimes you gotta do what do you have to do to get to point, B Um, but don't ever stop trying to get the point, b Um, and I think over time I realized, you know, I was like, this is not rewarding. I need to find something that's gonna be rewarding for me. Um. And I'm still growing. I'm still a work in progress, um. And so you know, you're always gonna keep growing and keep moving. Don't stay still, don't stay stagnant. But yeah, transition is tough, it's it's rough, but I was definitely about and prepared the second time that the first time. A couple of things audience. Let's get real for a second. Morland said something in a different way that I believe wholeheartedly. You have to do what you hate to get what you want. You have to have uncomfortable conversations to get to the other side. You have to go through training camp to get to the regular season for the season, get to the playoffs, playoffs to the Super Bowl. Right. You have to do the things you hate to get what... want. And Marlon also is very real saying he transitioned twice from the NFL. I took note on that. I wrote it down. I want to take notes when interviewing because I want to kind of highlight certain things, and I love how he said he didn't do well the first time, lack of resources. Second time got his master's St bonadventures worked the process got himself in that right trajectory. It's interesting. All I just literally we just got hired by an organization that is in connection with firestone and we told them, I said I'm gonna Bring to your team in September in Nashville what Jack Dear Rio said to us twin to yer old rookie, you gotta be your own CEO in life to get ahead. Mars, we're getting to close up this amazing interview. What's one tip you would give somebody WHO's trying to transition from a job of what they're doing just to pay the bills or a k what they hate, to get to the other side to what they want? Because I remember mall and being a custodian, running football camps, being a birthday clown and birthday parties, doing anything and everything just to do what I need you to take care of my family while pursuing speaking and that part of where I'm doing now full time. So I've gone through doing what I hate to get what I want. So what's one tip you can give people that might be going through that right now to help them on their journey and the will going to close out this great interview? Okay, I mean one I would tell them. Um, the first thing at first is as your transition, remember, success is not linear, right. There's no straight lines to success, like it's gonna be up, YOU'RE gonna be down, you're gonna be all over. It's really a squidly line all over the place. So so don't feel like you're setback, Um, as you if you might perceive it as a setback and something that's not gonna get you to where you need to be or where you want to be. Uh. Um. The second thing is is that I learned and throughout this process of transitioning, Um, from different jobs, from the NFL twice, is don't let your past dictate your present or your future. I think for a long time I was so caught up on trying to right the wrong from my past that I forgot to focus on where I was going and what I was trying to accomplish and it took me a long time to kind of snap out of that fog up. You know, I can't go back and change the fact that if I didn't go out and practice this time, or if I if I had only done this, or if I only brought in this person, if I've only done this or said that throughout different jobs in my career, I might still be there. Like, don't look at that, like take take every setback or anything as an opportunity that you got better, you learned something and you moved on Um with it. And then, I would say, definitely Um as you start look at that transition, like, don't forget to always stay a line with your values. I think that's something that, as I am in the space now, I understand, like we we look at things and you can either keep up with the Jones is and try to keep up with somebody else, or you can stick to your values and just kind of say, you know what, this is what I this is what I hold near and dear, this is what I believe, and you stick with that and you always try to keep those values up front and center and all your decisions, and then you can't make the wrong decision when you when you when your value, when you leave with your values, and I think that's something that I learned over time. I can tell you plenty examples of not always leaving with examples or leading with my values, because then you get put in a situation somebody's gonna question those visues and you have to decide, do I want to keep my own moral comforts I want to adopt and take on somebody else's? And if there's is not as strong as yours, then you always you find you, you find yourself cutting, cutting corners right, and in this process you can't cut corners like you have to pay the Piper, so to speak. You gotta put your time in. It may not look like you're going in the right direction, but trust me, you are. Um and as long as you keep grinding Um and don't beat up yourself, because I can be very hard on myself. Um, I beat up myself a lot over the...

...years. Don't beat yourself up and then you'll get to where you want to be. Um through in the right time, God's time, as as I said, God's timing is the right time. And now we might not always see why, but when we get there, we'll understand why it took alone to get there eventually, audience. I'm gonna close out with two things. One, Marlin gave me one of my first ever paid speaking jobs in two thousand seventeen with the buffalo bills when he was a director of player engagement. We met in two thousand fifteen. He saw my work ethic, he saw my trajectory and gave me one of my first ever paid speaking gods with the bills. And I work for them for three years in a row and Marlon was a big part of US breaking into working with NFL teams and officials. And then for your real authentic tip, never change your baseline. Always keep your values first and you have your values first and your baseline never changes. As long as you keep believing in yourself and keep the faith going strong, you can always achieve success in your life. Marlon, thanks for joining us. Phenomenal interview. Ladies and Gentlemen, you're listening to the get offensive with Marcus show. Thanks for tuning in. I have a great day.

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